2010-11-30 [Ash]: Yep, I should do that with mine, but I'm kind of lazy...

2010-11-30 [Annie]: You should! When you get the chance. It's worth it. :)

2010-11-30 [Ash]: I think I will, I'd say tomorrow but it's already here!

2010-11-30 [Annie]: Plus it's fun to have your own private forum. ;P

2010-11-30 [Ash]: :)

2010-11-30 [Veltzeh]: O_o Who decides what all can "damage" an "image"? That's rather absurd.
I kept asking for [Hedda] to make something that would disable the moods, but he didn't implement such a feature. IIRC I got around it by editing my stylesheet, but he took that off too so that it doesn't work.

2010-11-30 [Annie]: Aw lol, bummer. And ya, that is pretty ridiculous that they're afraid of their characters' images being damaged. A secure author who is making that much money should consider it a complement and get over it.

2010-11-30 [Veltzeh]: I don't think most published authors are afraid of that image (I've heard of one or two this far).

2010-11-30 [Ash]: There is a list of them some where on the internet. I know Meg Cabot has written into several FF sites and told them to ban people making FFs after her characters.

2010-11-30 [Annie]: And if I remember correctly, Anne Rice is kind of snooty about it too.

2010-12-01 [Ash]: Yep, so you have to be careful. I'll cover this as well.

2011-01-07 [Kaimee]: Wow, hi guys! Sorry I've been absent, I check in once in awhile to see if anyone's still interested but had a very hectic few months for the end of 2010 and simply didn't think of it! :(

I'm completely ecstatic to find some more interested people, and love your ideas for updating the site! Although I'm listed on here as boss, you can take me as Technical staff as well, as I'm very familiar with the stylesheets and internal workings here.

I really loved the suggestion of the tan and white (with some blue highlights) colour scheme, so I think we should start working towards that.
Sorry to say, I really don't want to make this place peppermint, as I've been fighting to move Elftown away from green for a long, long time, and I'm not about to implement it here ;)
If you're interested in ways this stylesheet could be updated, log on to Elftown and check out the wiki there "redesigning et" (http://elftown.eu/wiki.html?name=redesigning+et), which has examples of what some ET members would like to change there.
You can also try implementing the stylesheet I'm currently working on at ET by editing your details, and changing your stylesheet to "_kaimee-firefly.css", a version of which was used for the April Fool's prank.
Textural and graphical elements similar to those used in that stylesheet can easily be applied here, creating a drastically different look and feel to Writersco. I've already been experimenting quietly with updating the navigation here (1 long divided bar rather than many separate links) and welcome any suggestions everyone has :D

Credit counters to update badges are a no-go without some serious updates from Hedda, currently the way such thing work across on Elftown is that crew manually keep track of 'points'... which is tedious and easy to make a mistake with.

I love the idea of Nanowrimo participants and winners badges though, I wonder if we could get permission to use the little Nano 'shield' from the official website? If not, we could make an empty shield the same shape as a silhouette on part of the badge here, to visually link the two :)

I'm also fully in support of allowing fanfiction here, as almost all writing sites already do allow it and have no real issues with copyright.
As long as fanfiction is declared as a derivitave work and categorised as fanfic, with proper credits given, it should be allowed.
Of course, that is reliant on the fact that most authors support fanfiction, however some are publicly, loudly, and legally prohibitive of their use of copyright material in fanfiction, so I think we would need to have some form of moderation in place before fanfiction could be viewable.

For instance, the member here could upload it, format the page and add all the information and click 'submit', but it would not be publically viewable until a set moderator has OK'd it. The OK would rely on a quick search of the internet regarding whether that author allows fanfic, or additionally, allows sexual fanfic (eg. LucasFilms Ltd. does not allow pornographic fanfic but fully supports all other fanfic) to decide whether that piece could be set as publically viewable.

All in all, I love these ideas you've all come up with :) I think we should start working straight away to make some of them a reality!

2011-01-18 [Annie]: Great to see you back after your hecticness :) I like your ideas about fanfic.

2011-01-19 [Ash]: We need to add fan-fiction to the genre's then and get a good set of rules going. Here are fanfiction.net's rules, they are pretty lengthy:


FanFiction.Net does not filter content and is an open system that trusts the writer's judgement. However, there is an inherent responsibility that falls to writers as a result.

Here is a list of conducts that should always be observed:
Spell check all story and poetry. There is no excuse for not performing this duty. If you do not have a word processor that has the spell checking feature, use a search engine such as Google.com to find one.
Proofread all entries for grammar and other aspects of writing before submission. 'Hot off the press' content is often riddled with errors. No one is perfect but it is the duty of the writer to perform to the best of his/her ability.
Respect the reviewers. Not all reviews will strictly praise the work. If someone rightfully criticizes a portion of the writing, take it as a compliment that the reviewer has opted to spend his/her valuable time to help improve your writing.
Everyone here is an aspiring writer. Respect your fellow members and lend a helping a hand when they need it. Like many things, the path to becoming a better writer is often a two way street.
Use proper textual formatting. For example: using only capital letters in the story title, summary, or content is not only incorrect but also a disregard for the language itself.

FanFiction.Net Content Guidelines:
Version: 11-20-2008

The chapter system is not to be used as placeholder for non-story content such as author notes. You can add short author notes to the beginning or at the end of stories but never as individual chapters.

FanFiction.Net is not an archive for non-fanfiction literary works. Please visit FictionPress.com to publish your non-fanfiction literary works.

Do not upload chapters, series, or segments of a story as separate entries. In order to submit a 5 chapter story, for example, use the 'Create Story' page to submit chapter 1, and then use the 'Edit/Upload chapter' feature in the left menu, after login, to submit chapters 2 through 5.

Entries not allowed:
Non-stories: lists, bloopers, polls, previews, challenges, author notes, and etc.
One or two liners.
MST: comments inserted in between the flow of a copied story.
Stories with non-historical and non-fictional characters: actors, musicians, and etc.
Any form of interactive entry: choose your adventure, second person/you based, Q&As, and etc.
Chat/script format and keyboard dialogue based entries.

Actions not allowed:
Multiple entries of the same material. There can only be one copy of any unique story on the entire site. No exceptions.
Rewriting names of characters/locations of one story in order to upload to multiple categories.
Copying from a previously published work (including musical lyrics) not in the public domain.
General rules:
Entry title and summary must be rated K for all audience. No exceptions.
Entry must be given the proper rating. No exceptions.
Entry must be placed in proper category. No exceptions.
Chapters of the same story are not allowed to be submitted as separate entries. All chapters/segments must be grouped together using the 'edit/upload chapter' feature in the left menu.

2011-01-20 [Veltzeh]: Do we have somewhere a short list of what needs to be done and who can do it? That would be a good list to have. :)

2011-01-20 [Veltzeh]: No wait, there's wc to-do.

2011-01-21 [Ash]: I am opening an extensive every-day contest for March and hosting it similarly to NaNoWriMo Support.

This contest is simply to boost postings, please check it out and join: March Mad-Dash Challenge!.

If only I do it, we will get 31 entires in March, that's 31 new writings. If four people do it, that 124! We can really boost our stats this way. You can work ahead, but you must wait to post these in March!

2011-03-08 [Annie]: Did we come to any conclusions about fan fiction here? I have a friend I'm considering inviting to WC but she only writes fan fiction. -Goes to scramble something up-
Also, adding onto [Kaimee]'s idea about searching the internet to double check whether the author of the original work approves of fan fiction, we could also keep a wiki page with a list of authors and their fan fiction status. Might be helpful.

2011-03-10 [Kaimee]: I've contacted Hedda to find out what he thinks, and whether he'll set up some things we would need to deal with fan fiction, such as an extra genre, and a priv level that could delete writings.

If we were to allow it in the general writings, at this point I think we would need to manually moderate each piece by googling the author in question and finding our their copyright/fan-fic rules. We would need certain staff to handle this, probably any staff who already have the 'guard' level privs and who remain active.

Anyway, we're waiting on what Hedda says now, so we'll see! :)

2011-03-10 [Annie]: Yep :)

2011-03-11 [Ash]: Well, I'm willing, as I've already told you. I think double checking is always a good idea anyway, the double system would be nice and I really support Annie's ideas about Fan-Fiction. We can borrow the list from Fanfiction.net as they have specific authors and I could do some research. :)

What type of Fan-Fiction does she write? I can tell you probably off the top of my head if it's allowed or not, also, FF has always been allowed on wikis. I have two on wikis at the moment.