# of watchers: 12
2006-05-01 [SilverFire]: appalled. Not 'appauled' :P
2006-05-02 [RiddleRose]: fixed. ^_^
2006-05-02 [iippo]: Feel free to fix typos when met. // Can you read a musical? o.O Is there actually books of musical scripts? *wants*
2006-05-02 [RiddleRose]: yesh... i think there are. and you can always get the scores, which include the lyrics. and it's not hard to get scripts...
2006-05-03 [iippo]: I'm not sure but I think I once did see Jesus Christ Superstar as a book... But that's all singing and no words (does that still count as a musical? Sounds more like... opera or something XD) Well, I think it'll pass, a written musical (although I suppose having seen it performed would help in interpretation
2006-05-04 [RiddleRose]: well... i've seen this one, and i've got the soundtrack... and i know many people who have the script. XD and i'm sure you could find it online...
2006-05-04 [iippo]: Only one more thing to consider: does it fit the theme? :P I say go for it if you wish. :) Be the first one to *gasp* actually have the literature chosen and ready.
2006-05-06 [RiddleRose]: it certainly addresses the theme... in fact, yes, i think it does fit the theme. ^_^
2006-05-06 [RiddleRose]: there you go! you should see it. it's an amazing play...
2006-05-20 [Kiddalee]: Never mind that comment (mine). It was silly.
2006-06-19 [Delladreing]: and the Silvie >.>
2006-06-19 [iippo]: *expects t3h dela to join* And silvie, too. And kidda too o.O
2006-06-19 [Delladreing]: fair enough sign me up :P, or rather I'll sign up as soon as I'm done w/ my profil update.
2006-06-19 [Delladreing]: Ok I'm ready for anything now all I need to do is find a book o.O
2006-06-19 [Veltzeh]: I can't recall any situation in which the character would've done something I'd consider morally wrong, dangit! XD There are several cases where the character has done something disturbingly illogical though, but I have trouble recalling even those. o_o
2006-06-19 [Delladreing]: Heh, happens, time to reread things ;)
2006-06-19 [Veltzeh]: Yeah, I did most of my reading before the age of 17. >_> But seriously, I didn't even consider Raskolnikov murdering the old woman in Crime and Punishment morally wrong! XD
2006-06-19 [Delladreing]: Oh dear, remind me to avoid you when I'm a mad old lady XP
2006-06-19 [Veltzeh]: XD I'm currently pondering whether or not I would consider Meursault's killing the Arab in The stranger immoral or not... I can totally understand the situation though and accept it. I'm weird, aren't I?
2006-06-19 [Calliope]: That's my problem, I can just about always see where the 'immoral' people are coming from. It makes it hard for me to call it immoral when I see it from their perspectives.
2006-06-19 [Delladreing]: Heh, see mine I can argue with fairly well.
2006-06-20 [Veltzeh]: Yep, it's by Camus. It was the only book whose issues I could get while my classmates didn't (we read it for school). X)
2006-06-20 [Veltzeh]: I'm going to put the book there. The only issue is that there isn't an English copy of it in the library so I can't quote it... unless I get the Finnish one and translate it into English. Is it okay to do that or would someone who lives in an English-speaki
2006-06-20 [iippo]: You can have a look if you can find it in here http://www.lit
2006-06-20 [Veltzeh]: Dang, can't find it there. But hey, there are no absolute truths; the morality of something is completely subjective and I don't consider murder morally wrong in some cases. X)
2006-06-20 [RiddleRose]: whee! i'm no longer alone!
2006-06-20 [Kiddalee]: I've only heard someone's book report on it, but it doesn't sound to me like that was even murder. Didn't he take the gun away from his trigger happy friend to prevent deaths, and squeeze the trigger only because the sun was unbearable?
2006-06-20 [Veltzeh]: Yep, [iippo], that's it, but it doesn't show me enough... [Kiddalee], yeah, I can't recall the scene too well either, that's why I've been pondering. The person who he killed had been about to harm someone before at least and it might've been a little self-defensive
2006-06-21 [Kiddalee]: Yes, they were about to harm his friend.
2006-06-21 [Kiddalee]: Oh, I've found the handout for the classmate's ISU. In English it's called The Outsider.
2006-06-21 [Veltzeh]: It's either Outsider or Stranger...
2006-08-18 [iippo]: It's been awful quiet here lately, how is everybody? Any luck with that book Vel, or are you ending up translating yourself? How about you Kidda and Calliope, have you found any book that you might want to use? Dela, RiddleRose, still patient with the rest of us? :D And the 4 watchers I'm not mentioning by name, how are you doing?
2006-08-18 [Veltzeh]: Well, there still isn't an English copy of it in the library so unless someone else can get it, I'll translate it myself.
2006-08-18 [Calliope]: I've been swamped lately but my eyes are still out. Maybe when I start packing my books I'll find one I forgot about that'll fit the category.
2006-08-24 [Veltzeh]: That "almost prepared" means that I'm deploying child labor to translate the piece of text into English. Maybe I should also add the point about how Meursault is then wrongly executed by the society because THAT I think is wrong. XD It's just that there's no clear passage of just that.
2006-08-25 [Kiddalee]: I'm... lazy.
2006-08-26 [iippo]: Great! I mean, not 'great' at Kidda's lazyness, but at Vel's preparedness.
2007-02-16 [Anninja]: Veltzeh, it was exactly the book I was thinking of adding all the time I read through the page! I have the Latvian version of it, perhaps I might be of a little help translating?
For me, there wasn't a single doubt during the whole book that I'd not do as he did. Not now, I'd rather not dare say "not ever". In my opinion, what he did all the time was terrible and unhuman, rather beastlike. I think it's named "The Outsider" just to show us what people are not like. Should not be. I have some truly good quotes to prove that :) But I'll have to translate them.
2007-02-16 [Anninja]: I will add it :)
2007-02-17 [Veltzeh]: Hmm... and my opinions are pretty much the opposite. X) Meursault concerns himself with the essential and doesn't bother with the rest. And I find myself remarkably similar... but it's not like I've ever thought of myself as a real person. Even other people tend to call me a machine.
Anyway, Text passages is where the part is.
2007-02-20 [Anninja]: Lol, in my opinion what's essential to being human is to have feelings other than the physical, that's what beasts don't have. That's what the Outsider doesn't have. The answer "I don't know, but I think I don't, does it matter?" to "do you love me?" was creepy, and proof enough that he didn't have feelings for a person at all (it wasn't the only passage that proves it). I didn't translate exactly, wrote it from memory... But I'm a musician, and my folks are weird people, sometimes I think we're of different species even :)
2007-02-20 [Veltzeh]: Heh, and I thought that was one of the best ever responses to that question which I think is irrelevant. XD But hey, we should save that for the actual chat! Dang, we're about to start already on our own here.
2007-03-01 [Anninja]: Come on, does it look like there's going to be an actual chat? ;)
2007-03-02 [iippo]: Three out of the five participants say they are 'not prepared yet', one says 'prepared' and one hasn't indicated very clearly either way so I count it as a 'maybe' *pokes* :P
2007-03-03 [Anninja]: Okay, you happy? :) I really want to take part in this discussion, but don't want to spend my time preparing for something that might never actually happen. I translate fast. And how am I supposed to know which passages I might use? Okay, maybe I'll do a bit... When I have more than a few minutes of spare time, which I maybe soon will... :P
2007-03-03 [iippo]: ^^;; Things do go slowly in WritersCo... But it tends to be that when you start prodding people, they tend to back out instead of get into shape :/
There's some general suggestion which passages to use:
Possible passages (describing)
-the act itself
-memory of the act
-recounting the act to someone else
-regretting the act
-someone else's view about the act (this shouldn't be the only passage, since we want the wrong-doers point of view)
2007-03-04 [Anninja]: Okay, got it. Still, all the book's quotable. There was hardly anything he did right, I think. Okay, I don't mean to argue. And yea, authors tend to be slow... Quite... Me being one of the worst ^·^
2007-04-23 [SilverFire]: Hmmm... *considers Blakes's Marriage of Heaven & Hell* Just going form the title 'wrong is right' it's perfect, but the details about what to think about in preparation are mostly (if not all) redundant to that book.
2007-04-24 [RiddleRose]: i'm still around and watching, just to let everyone know... and although i don't have things written down specifically, i know what i could use... so i suppose i am semi-prepared
2007-04-25 [Anninja]: Yep, me the same as RiddleRose;) I hardly have the time to write anything... I have had 2 unfinished short stories for almost a month;P
2007-04-25 [iippo]: So everyone up on the list is a little bit prepared already? I'm gonna start building the forum and stuff soonish then. :) Sorry it's stretching til eternity, kids. :S
2007-05-02 [Anninja]: It's okay, iippo, we are not mad ;)
2008-01-07 [Kiddalee]: Not that I've been planning on it, but I've just completed a book that should be suitable.
2008-01-12 [iippo]: :) Maybe we should just start and people can jump in late if they want to.
2008-01-15 [Kiddalee]: I like that idea. It's not like you'll get to everybody on the first day anyways.